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164: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 01:49:34.24
相手上にルカ or ゼラ(もしくは両方)かつ相手jgは下にガンクに帰そう or 来ている
時に味方jgは上と下どっちにガンクいに行くべきなのかね
182: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 01:53:40.60
>>164
こっちの構成とどっちがレーン勝ってるかにもよる
相手が上ルカだったら上行ったほうがいいことは多いと思ってるよ
特にこっちにも上ルカがいる場合は上レーン押せたらめちゃくちゃデカい

特に相手の一番~二番目に左のルカリオが上にいて上にいてボコボコにされたらマジでまずいから
JGがレーンの野生取るのは好きじゃないけど、そういうときは上レーンの野生を多少片付けてからJGに帰ってる

レート1400だから今スレにいる1500の意見も仰ぎたいけど

195: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 01:58:51.33
>>182
4レベの段階でちょっかいかけて1蜂に間に合うように下降りるってのも、第三の選択としてあり
4レベ上ガンクもなしではないかな、ゴールするのに必死になって敵瀕死になってることもあるし
相手からしたら想定外だから、引かざるを得ない

ファームしてるときに敵上ルカの場合はカメラ回して判断するといいよ
上ガンク肯定派だけど、下の状況もカメラで見て判断する

249: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 02:23:26.28
>>195
サンキュー!
4レベで上ガンクするときは
ちょっかいかける
→キル取って押せそうならそのまま残る
→キルまでは取れなさそうならさっさと下行く
って感じにしてるんだけど、こういう感じでいいかな?
262: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 02:32:41.87
>>249
それで大体いいよ
下エイパムが大体襲われてて、それ取って5になったらそのまま上ガンクもいい
下カニ取って上また戻る選択肢もあり
279: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 02:42:36.18
>>262
やっぱりホントに状況次第ってことだね、ありがとう
JGは奥が深い……
282: 名無しさん 2021/10/05(火) 02:46:53.52
>>279
殺意の上ガンクは中央から敵側のブッシュに入るといい、自分はダンベルゲコでその動きやって影分身泡で蜂借りにきたやつ倒す

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