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59: 名無しさん 2021/08/21(土) 22:37:13.37
勝ってる時サンダー触るな言っても相手がサンダー取れば余裕でひっくり返る以上サンダー周りにいざるを得ない
ここまで勝ってる集大成としてサンダーを取って負けの芽を摘んでおく方が賢くないか
多少はここまでの展開で有利にサンダー戦始められるんだし
62: 名無しさん 2021/08/21(土) 22:37:53.63
>>59
そうだよ
63: 名無しさん 2021/08/21(土) 22:38:13.14
>>59
サンダー触りにくる敵をキルすれば良いだけでサンダーを触る必要は全くないんだが
76: 名無しさん 2021/08/21(土) 22:40:59.56
>>63
2ゴールされても逆転されない点差付いてるとかならともかくそうじゃないならBDでひっくり返るし今はゴルサポも多いから阻止するのも難しい
それならとりあえずサンダー触って相手釣って各個撃破してそのままサンダー取れるなら取ればよくねって思うんだけど
相手のBD見てから一斉に味方がサンダー殴ればいいって?そんなもん野良で出来るわけがないんだ
96: 名無しさん 2021/08/21(土) 22:46:55.08
>>76
サンダーも軽く触ればミニマップで敵味方の動きわかるだろ
寄ってこなかったら自陣のゴールちかくで視点移動しつつファームなりブッシュなりすればいい
120: 名無しさん 2021/08/21(土) 22:52:45.93
>>96
防衛側は1:3:1で守るのが基本だろうけどゴルサポ使われて無理矢理ゴール入れられた場合止められないこと多々あるからね
で、逆転されてサンダー触りたい人とカウンターBDしたい人とかそれぞれが違う勝ち筋見ててグダって終わるってのが野良の大体のパターン
1ゴールで逆転されるような点数差なら全然有利じゃないからサンダーには触っていいと思うけどな

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    While there are different muscular tissues in the back,
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    Focusing on back thickness isn’t nearly wanting good—it’s a cornerstone for enhancing your entire muscular system.
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    There’s additionally a chance that regardless of how exhausting
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    T-BAR ROWS If your gym doesn't have a T-bar, you'll have the ability
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    Load the other finish along with your required resistance, then slip a V-handle
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    If you do some chin-ups and deadlifts each week, that’s more than enough to maintain up
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    The landmine is an efficient yet underutilised device for building a thick and
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    Implementing strongman exercises might help improve energy and thickness in your back muscular tissues.
    Variations in deadlifts and pulls not solely contribute to muscle improvement
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    What makes this train so amazing is you could get a better vary of motion. If you damage your neck you’re going to be out of commission for a while.

    Even probably the most basic exercise goes to be an uphill battle when you can’t transfer
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    By persistently coaching with these exercises,
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    The train additionally enhances scapular retraction, main to raised posture and lowered risk of shoulder accidents.
    Moreover, the TRX Y fly prompts stabilizing muscular tissues all through the core and
    shoulders, contributing to total functional power and stability.

    Incorporating this exercise into your routine can lead to a stronger, wider back, enhanced athletic performance, and a extra aesthetically pleasing physique.

    This versatile movement primarily engages the muscular tissues
    of the chest, again, and triceps, whereas additionally providing benefits for core
    stability and shoulder mobility. Dumbbell pullovers contain a horizontal pulling motion, which successfully targets the lats.
    These muscle tissue play a major function in creating the looks of a wider back when properly developed.

    To maximize outcomes from Meadows Rows, concentrate on sustaining robust core stability all through each rep and keep away from twisting
    or rotating via your torso. Maintain your actions controlled
    and deliberate to make sure proper engagement of the targeted muscle tissue for optimum
    back growth. Meadows Rows effectively target the muscle tissue of your upper back, notably the lats
    and rhomboids. This exercise involves a single-arm row movement with
    a twist that permits you to have interaction these muscle
    tissue extra deeply.
    Sit down on the machine with your legs firmly locked underneath the pads and lean again slightly at about 30 levels.
    You can also take a look at out the cable pullover utilizing a rope attachment as well and see which
    variation you like. Hold roughly a 30 diploma bend in your elbows, and then lean ahead while puffing your chest
    out and sustaining a small arch in your lower back.

    I have coated every of those movements individually in the past, however I wanted to make one publish here to condense
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    But there needs to be some quality time invested
    in those two things earlier than you begin overturning each rock to fill within the gaps.
    It creates an emphasized eccentric, and it creates more rigidity
    for the entire back-meat area.
    Your again comprises various muscle groups that function collectively to
    allow motion patterns such as bending over,
    twisting, and increasing your back. These muscle tissue are important for efficient body and limb actions, head rotation,
    spinal alignment, and respiratory. In these actions the objective is to keep
    the spine steady, forcing the spinal erectors to withstand lumbar and thoracic flexion. The entrance squat is
    perfect as a end result of the anterior weight placement pits the consumer towards high thoracic flexion forces.

    With these actions we're shifting the torso, forcing the back
    to extend or stay secure against resistance.

    In the deadlift and good morning, we do not need lumbar rounding,
    though some in the thoracic area is acceptable. According to Zammit Tabona, this can cause 'rounding of
    the shoulders and higher back,' and back exercises, handily, will help get rid of the desk-bound ‘hunch’.

    These sorts quickly display notable again width even when they largely ignore rowing movements
    and focus more on lat pull-downs and chin-ups. However once they turn to the side, the phantasm goes up in a
    puff of smoke. That means it trains and strengthens muscle tissue you utilize in on a daily basis actions,
    thus supplying you with an edge and preventing accidents.
    Research reveals that practical training affects adults’ pace, steadiness, and muscular strength.

    Pull the bar down toward your thighs while keeping your arms
    straight throughout the movement. Focus on participating the back muscular tissues as you pull
    down, then return to the beginning position under
    control to maximize muscle activation. Alongside with pulls, Strongman carry exercises will
    build large energy and size on your upper back and
    erector spinae. Use farmers walks to focus on your higher traps and front-loaded carries like sandbag
    carries to target your complete back and erectors.
    The rear delts (posterior deltoids) play an important role in upper back aesthetics, shoulder stability, and general pulling power.
    Nevertheless, they are often underdeveloped in comparison with the front and facet delts, leading to imbalances and
    poor posture.
    In addition, it’s probably the greatest workouts to stretch lots of your
    upper physique muscle tissue at the finish of your
    workout. All back exercises should begin with a stretching train, which will loosen each muscle in your back.
    This stiffness will hinder your workouts and depart you struggling afterwards.
    Winklaar’s training targeted on heavy rows and pull-ups, with an emphasis on time underneath pressure to maximise muscle progress.
    His workouts were constructed round pushing for muscle hypertrophy, focusing on high-intensity workout routines that targeted the full length of the again. Wolf emphasised high-volume training
    for his back, typically incorporating a mixture of lat-focused workout routines to
    enhance his width. He paid specific consideration to workouts like
    pull-downs and T-bar rows to construct both the width
    and thickness that became his calling card.
    Your decrease lats and rotator cuff muscle tissue
    might not grow at full velocity, but you’ll work all the biggest muscle tissue and develop
    a ton of functional strength. Many guys build spectacular backs this manner,
    and it’s definitely sufficient to maintain up your again size when you ever
    wish to give attention to other things. They keep your
    shoulders robust and stable when you’re carrying heavy masses.

    However the fact remains that a simplistic approach—with the best depth, of course—can help you assemble the
    kind of back aesthetic that you’re looking for. If you may have a width-focused again workout, you
    can simply do the workout offered on a second day later in the week,
    which can greatly speed up your gains. Or, if you’re
    a high-volume guy, you possibly can go forward and try including these strikes to your existing back exercise on one, all-out back-a-palooza.
    Coaching onerous and heavy with these sorts of strikes can help you pack on the type of mass that leaves your upper back wanting like a den of coiled snakes.

    Earlier Than we dive into one of the best exercises to increase again thickness, strength and
    dimension, it is essential that you simply really understand how
    the back works and what muscular tissues you need to be hitting to placed on mass.
    So, let's break down the method to turn your again into wide,
    thick wings of muscle. Along with a growth-focused approach to diet and supplementation, these beginner-friendly workouts to coach your again are what you should earn measurement that will show up from all angles.
    This, in essence, leads to extra muscle development and
    might even change the form of your muscle tissue.

    Strengthening your again also involves focusing on the smaller
    stabilizing muscles across the vertebral column and thoracic cage.
    Exercises that incorporate a full range of movement help improve flexibility
    in these areas while constructing mass. Many
    gym-goers try for a robust, muscular again however aren’t
    positive the method to obtain it. This information presents
    one of the best workouts tailored to expanding your back’s musculature and enhancing power.

    Training the again rigorously translates to elevated strength in each pulling
    and lifting movements throughout varied exercises.
    It encourages development in secondary muscular tissues
    like biceps and hamstrings since they play a role as stabilizers or synergists throughout compound back
    movements similar to rows or pull-ups. In conclusion, incorporating
    these best exercises for a thicker again into your
    workout routine can lead to important enhancements in muscle and energy.
    When it involves building a strong and thick back, the practical suggestions and efficient
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    When it comes to the number of sets, anything between 2-4 is good, more than that and you’re simply going to overtax the central nervous system
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    Plus, the more you weigh, the extra weight you must pull,
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    You’ll additionally get a full back workout that can build slabs of thick muscle.

    Luckily, traps are simple to develop and tend to grow quickly, particularly if you work them instantly.

    These muscle groups support tasks from lifting heavy objects to performing easy
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